[参考]制作17世纪时期皮质马鞍

ZIP · 发表于 2008-5-11 13:16

作者：TONYMaking a 17th century saddle :~ I’ve been interested in the English Civil War [ 1642 -51 ] since the late sixties , and been collecting pictures and info for a pretty long time. As some of you may have noticed , I’m now trying to realise that interest in 1/6th . When it comes to trying to reconstruct a saddle , I thought I was well situated : but always with such projects you find that what you don’t know is what really matters. I’m no kind of horseman : I did ride a bit in my twenties , until falling off became rather painful and boring : one of the reasons I gave it up was that the British horse culture has been wedded to racing and jumping since the beginning of the petrol age , and thus uses the lightest and lowest possible saddles with all the security of a piece of wet liver , and the kindest possible bridles, for which you need both hands , allowing the horse to gallop and jump freely ( whenever it pleased in my case ), with minimal control , which makes staying on board a ticklish matter. It’s amazing how many horsey people nowadays will not believe that anybody ever rode a horse in any other way ! The horse has to want to behave , which is of course part of the skill of riding , and anyone with riding experience will tell you that you must have a good rapport with your horse : if you don’t , look out. I loved them dearly , but they knew I was a push-over , and behaved accordingly . ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Back in the 17th century they had different ideas : horses were ridden as a matter of necessity , for peace and war , and the style, which had been in use for centuries , was essentially the same as the Western one familiar from films , or the Iberian tradition which still flourishes .

[参考]制作17世纪时期皮质马鞍

The saddle is designed to grip the rider , who rides with a long nearly straight leg , and uses a curb bit ( a long-armed bit with leverage applied by a chain under the horse’s chin, which gives the rider an irresistible mechanical advantage ) and a loose , indirect rein : to turn left you move the hand to the left , which gently lays the right rein on the horse’s neck . This indirect rein is essential to free the right hand for a weapon . This is directly opposite to the the two-handed English style , in which you would pull on the left rein . The rider also always wears spurs . The breaking and training of horses to be ridden like this was obviously different from that used today in the English riding world. Horses broken to this equipment quickly learn not to resist the rather fierce bit , and have a characteristic bent down head so prominent in period depictions :

[参考]制作17世纪时期皮质马鞍

They are “ collected “ , or “over the bit “ to use the jargon. They walk or canter rather than trot ; jumping is dangerous over anything bigger than a small ditch ; but the rider can stop and turn on a sixpence , move sideways , or on a well trained horse actually get the animal to lash out behind with its hooves .The rider is very much in charge , with a big accelerator ( the spurs ) and a bigger brake ( the curb bit ). For war , they mostly rode stallions , which added to the ferocious effect . This style of riding is still used by dressage riders ( The Spanish Riding School of Vienna , and the Cadre Noir of Saumur for example ) and any horseman who needs to herd cattle , rope a cow, control a crowd , or fight a bull in the Portugese bull-fight , albeit in a slightly modernised form taking account of modern veterinary knowledge . It is emphatically not that used by the local pony club . The saddles : there are a fair number of surviving saddles in Britain and elsewhere ; but they are not closely dated , and we have to look at contemporary pictures as well. Mine is based on one of the Littlecote Armoury saddles in the Royal Armouries , and a surviving Dutch war saddle in the Hague . I’ve also consulted a lot of pictures from my library. The fact is they there were no two exactly alike : there was no “pattern saddle “ in the later sense. There were several different kinds mentioned at the time ; unfortunately we cannot be certain exactly what all the names meant. The Great saddle was the pre-eminent version for Horse , descended from medieval war saddles , with high arches which literally gripped the rider’s thighs like a vice. There were more relaxed styles as well , easier to get in and out of , but all had a wooden tree , except the “pad” saddle , which was the one which evolved into the modern English saddle : such were probably used by Dragoons, who didn’t have to fight on horseback , but needed to get on and off in a hurry. The shape of the tree varied depending on its purpose , mostly in the depth and forward projection of the lower part of the cantle behind the thighs : the longer this was , and the nearer to the front thigh pieces , the tighter the seat.

[参考]制作17世纪时期皮质马鞍

ZIP · 发表于 2008-5-11 15:41

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder">以下是引用tuna在2008-5-11 15:04:00的发言： 大英帝國騎兵來了.騎兵圖,哈哈哈哈哈,這是有馬圖

</div>  要看步兵图

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tuna · 发表于 2008-5-11 15:50

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder">以下是引用ZIP在2008-5-11 15:41:00的发言：   要看步兵图

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過幾天,就有英美步兵圖咯

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小灰狗 · 发表于 2008-5-11 16:03

補tuna兄的資料

[参考]制作17世纪时期皮质马鞍

[参考]制作17世纪时期皮质马鞍

[参考]制作17世纪时期皮质马鞍

[参考]制作17世纪时期皮质马鞍

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ZIP · 发表于 2008-5-11 16:49

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder">以下是引用小灰狗在2008-5-11 16:03:00的发言： 補tuna兄的資料  <a href="http://fourthdragoons.com/Home.html">http://fourthdragoons.com/Home.html</a></div>前面TUNA说的骑兵版和我说的步兵版是一语双关的 另一个含义就是有码=骑兵版，无码就是步兵啦 还有更隐晦的说法，动物园版等等 还有感谢灰狗兄提供的资料地址，相信能给需要的玩家提供帮助

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tuna · 发表于 2008-5-11 15:04

大英帝國騎兵來了.騎兵圖,哈哈哈哈哈,這是有馬圖

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[此贴子已经被作者于2008-5-11 15:04:59编辑过]

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ZIP · 发表于 2008-5-11 15:28

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder">以下是引用36520479在2008-5-11 15:25:00的发言： 这种技术贴子最好有单独的分类,要不以后翻找困难</div>会整理的。

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36520479 · 发表于 2008-5-11 15:25

这种技术贴子最好有单独的分类,要不以后翻找困难

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火月之龙 · 发表于 2008-5-11 15:33

法国的胸甲骑兵也来啦<img src="attachments/dvbbs/200722813223032602.jpg" border="0" onclick="zoom(this)" onload="if(this.width>document.body.clientWidth*0.5) {this.resized=true;this.width=document.body.clientWidth*0.5;this.style.cursor='pointer';} else {this.onclick=null}" alt="" />

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ZIP · 发表于 2008-5-11 13:18

Examination of a lot of pics has led to this scale reproduction of a moderate , run- of –the- mill sort of saddle : Please forgive “ Inky” the horse : he’s very small , but all I’ve got at present . I started with the stirrups , bits and buckles , and cast them in pewter:

[参考]制作17世纪时期皮质马鞍

The saddle rests on a double pad , which was loosely attached beneath the centre line of the tree . This had a canvas bag on either side which could be periodically restuffed to fit different horses .

[参考]制作17世纪时期皮质马鞍

I then made the trees , the one slightly deeper than the other . Trying to work out the exact shape of the tree has been tricky : I have conflicting pics , so doubtless they varied somewhat , but both have two sideboards , with an upward curve to the lower edge beneath the thighs , and a long front point : this takes the buckles for the pistol holsters and, lower down , buckles for the breast strap . The two arches were originally carved in wood , and probably sometimes reinforced with iron plates , then covered in leather. I used Sculpey for the arches , since it’s less liable to splinter in 1/6th than modelmaker’s wood. [The second tree below , for my next saddle , is entirely Sculpey , since I’ve had endless trouble with the first one splitting .]

[参考]制作17世纪时期皮质马鞍

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