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[讨论] 请教下德军后期党卫军的连队编制,特别是阿登

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 楼主| 发表于 2010-8-4 15:35 | 显示全部楼层
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原帖由 英雄贵姓777 于 2010-8-4 15:26 发表
SS12师在不到300人步兵的情况下(没有重武器) 挡住了加拿大第三军5万多人8天的进攻 使得4万多德军安全撤出法莱茨的包围 你换做二战中任何一个师都没这个能力 300人就算有坦克和重武器 面对一个军加上海岸上88艘战列 ...


个人喜欢SS只是因为SS的迷彩和个别精锐SS部队的战斗精神
SS以少打多的战例很多了,战斗意志真是做为对手都不得不佩服和头疼的
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发表于 2010-8-4 15:39 | 显示全部楼层

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44年的一个德军普通步兵班有九到十人,两挺MG42轻机鎗,其余则是步鎗,具体数量也不好找啊,不过阿登反击那会基本上德军都是东拼西凑出来的,编制体制上也不是这么完整了
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发表于 2010-8-4 15:46 | 显示全部楼层
在战前,德国的步兵训练就十分着重于对小规模编制的运用,通常最基本的装甲掷弹兵单位是一个“班”(Gruppe),由12-14个人组成,共同搭乘一辆半履带装甲运兵车或卡车,而一个群分为2个组(Truppe)。其中班长(Der Gruppeführer)一般是一名下级士官(Der Unteroffizier ohne Portepee),例如下士(Der Unteroffizier),装备冲锋枪。在搭乘半履带装甲运兵车前进时,他负责指挥本班车辆和操作车载机枪。

此外,班长的副官(Der Assistent)通常由一名上等兵(Der Obergefreiter)担任,装备步枪,当本班分散时,他负责指挥1个组。

此外有1个机枪组(Die Maschinengewehrtrupp),每组又分为2个小组(Die Maschinengewehrrotte),每个小组,1挺机枪2人。而有时机枪组内只有1个小组,1挺机枪2个人。

4-6名装备步枪的装甲掷弹兵以及驾驶员和副驾驶员组成剩下的1个“装甲掷弹兵组(Panzergrenadiertrupp)。(如果在机枪组内只有1个小组的话,那么装甲掷弹兵组将额外增加2个掷弹兵)一般由3个班组成一个排(Der Zug),排指挥部在一辆单独的指挥车内,包括:一名排长(Der Zugführer)—通常由上士(Der Unterfeldwebel)担任。一名驾驶员,一名无线电员,两名机枪手和一名军医。

资料出自:http://www.ww2ss.com/lujun/2006-9-14/069145940172_5_30_2.html
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发表于 2010-8-4 16:39 | 显示全部楼层
理解错误,理解错误,不好意思,闪,快闪。。。
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发表于 2010-8-4 20:30 | 显示全部楼层
每个ss师都不一样的,不好说。阿登战役连王牌ss师都没有满员。一个班顶多7,8人。据说每连的第三排是突击牌,清一色的mp44. 具体一个连什么编制,我也没有确切权威的资料。
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发表于 2010-8-4 22:26 | 显示全部楼层
二战德军装甲掷弹兵连级编制
原文作者:nikolas.lloyd
Armoured Panzergrenadiers company
装甲掷弹兵连

During World War Two, the Germans had troops units which were designed for fighting alongside tanks. These were fully motorised units. Most of the German army used leg or horse transport, but these units all had motorised vehicles to ride in, so that they could at all times keep up with the tanks. These were the Panzergrenadiers. Most of these troops rode in lorries, but some were armoured panzergrenadiers and these rode in armoured half-tracked vehicles known as Hanomag Sd. 251s. In these vehicles, they could cross open ground alongside their tanks, even when that ground was being shelled and machine-gunned. German SS units were favoured with a greater proportion of the best equipment, and about a third of armoured panzergrenadiers were in the SS. Here, though, I shall be dealing with the Wehrmacht panzergrenadiers
二次大战期间,德国编制有专门伴随坦克作战的单位,这些单位都是全摩托化的.虽然大多数德军是徒步或畜力行军的,但这些单位都是乘摩托化车辆的,多数乘卡车,但“装甲掷弹兵”乘座诸如Sd. 251系列半履带车。乘坐这些车辆,他们就可以在开阔地伴随坦克,即使是这些开阔地是遭机枪封锁或设防的,党卫军有更多机会获得最好的装备,所以三分之一的装甲掷弹兵属于党卫军,但我要介绍的是国防军装甲掷弹兵
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发表于 2010-8-4 22:27 | 显示全部楼层
The basic fighting unit in the German army was the section, and an armoured panzergrenadier section had one big difference from the normal infantry section, or the motorised panzergrenadier section: it had two machine guns rather than one. Here above we see a section. In the centre is the section commander, with binoculars, submachinegun。 Section commanders were issued with binoculars. Officers had larger binoculars. I have read a few memoirs written by British soldiers, and a few times I've read of how they liked to steal German Zeiss binoculars, preferring them to the British issue.

德军中最基本的战斗单位是班,装甲掷弹兵班与一般步兵班或摩托化步兵班最大的区别在于:它装备两挺机枪而不是一挺。上面我们看到的就是一个班(模型),在中央的是班长,装备望远镜和冲锋枪。班长配法望远镜,军官有相对更大的望远镜。阅读英国士兵的回忆录时我多次发现相对英军公发型他们更想得到德制蔡斯望远镜
The section has eight men in it. On the left, we see a four-man base. The two figures on the right of this are the machine gunner and his number two. The weapon is being fired over the shoulder of the number two. Although this was sometimes the practice, which would allow the firer to shoot over some obstacle, normally the MG34 or MG42 would be fired on its bipod, from a prone position. It was very difficult to fire the standard German LMG from the shoulder. and it gobbled up ammunition very quickly, so a two-man crew was necessary. Indeed, the rest of the section would have to help in ferrying ammunition for the MGs. Usually, it was as much as a section could do to keep one machinegun supplied with ammunition, but armoured panzergrenadiers would seldom stray far from their vehicles, which could carry a lot of ammunition and spare barrels.
一个班有8人组成。在左边,我们看到4个,其中右边的两个是机枪手和他的助手,机枪是架在助手肩上射击的,尽管时常练习这种用于有障碍物时的射击方式,但通常34或42型机枪是以卧姿用两脚架射击的,因为德国机枪架在肩上射击是非常困难的。因为弹药消耗的极快,所以双人机枪组是必要的。实际上其他班兵也会为机枪携带弹药 ,通常整班携带的弹药只够一挺机枪使用,但装甲掷弹兵极少远离他们那携带大量弹药的车辆
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发表于 2010-8-4 22:29 | 显示全部楼层
Also on the base is a man with a Panzerfaust, which was a one-shot device for knocking out tanks and pillboxes. This was a metal tube, within which was a propellant charge which launched the bi-conical bomb on the end of the tube towards the target.The charge created a huge amount of smoke, which both gave away the position of the firer and would fill any building he was in with smoke. Anyone standing immediately behind the firer was in danger of suffering from the back-blast of the weapon. Down the shaft was a warning, painted in red, warning of this danger. On the head of the bomb, on a white square, were the instructions for use.
在同一基座上,有一人携带“铁拳”,一种打击坦克和工事的一次性武器。它是一根金属管子,内装用于发射位于管端的锥型装药弹头的推进剂,发射时有巨大烟雾,既指明了射手位置又能使任何建筑瞬间充满烟雾,发射瞬间任何站在射手后方的人都有被后喷焰烧伤.发射筒上有关于这个的警告,涂有红色标记。弹头上有关于如何使用这种武器的说明书

The last man on this four-man base has an unusual weapon - a pistol launched anti-tank weapon. This nifty little gadget fired a High Explosive Anti-Tank warhead with so piffling a charge in it, that it was virtually useless. Nevertheless, impressed by their own clever design, the Germans continued making this weapon. Most panzergrenadier sections would not have one of these weapons.
这个四人基座上的最后一位持有一种非凡武器--手枪发射的反坦克武器,这种滑稽的小玩具发射的高爆弹头装药极少,没有实际作用。不过德国人一直在制造这种体现他们“聪明”设计的武器。大多数装甲掷弹兵班并没有这种武器
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发表于 2010-8-4 22:34 | 显示全部楼层
The section fought as two parts, one MG team commanded by the section commander, and the other by his second. The other base has on it the other MG team, again in the over-the-shoulder pose. each wearing a "shelter quarters" This was a large triangular piece of waterproofed cloth. It had a camouflage pattern printed on both sides , and a few uses. It was a rain cape in bad weather; it gave better camouflage to a soldier; and four of these could be joined together to make a pyramidal tent. Troops were issued with these from the start of the war.
一个班是分成两部分作战的,一个机枪组有班长指挥,另一个有副班长指挥。剩下的那个基座上就是另一个机枪组,也是肩射姿势.都穿的是“雨蓬”这是一种大号三角型防水布。它里外面都有伪装迷彩,但很少使用,实际上是坏天气用的雨披,能给士兵很好的伪装,四块拼在一起可以搭成金字塔形的帐篷,大战爆发时就已经配发了.

One man in a typical section would have a sniper's rifle, although I get the impression that he was not a specialist sniper, and that he would normally fight in the usual way alongside his section mates. Another would have a Gew. 43, which was an SLR (self-loading rifle) - a semi-automatic magazine-fed weapon.
在典型的班中会有一人携带狙击步枪,但在我记忆中他不是专业狙击手,并和其他班兵共同行动(译注:应该是精确射手)。另有一人携带43型半自动步枪,一种半自动、弹夹供弹的武器.

Inside one Sd. 251/1 there would be:
1. NCO section leader, SMG, binoculars.
2. First machine gunner, with pistol and MG34/42.
3. Rifleman with Kar.98, assisting
4. Rifleman with grenade launcher (range c.270 yards).
5. Rifleman with sniper rifle(with telescopic sight).
6. Second machine gunner, pistol and MG34/42.
7. Rifleman with Kar.98, assisting
8. Assistant section leader, with Gew.43 SLR, commanding Nos. 6, 7, and either 4 or 5.
9. Driver for the vehicle,
10. Vehicle crewman, SMG, front MG34/42 of the half-track
包括Sd. 251/1装甲车在内编制如下:
1.班长(士官),冲锋枪、望远镜
2.一号机枪手,34或42型机枪、手枪
3.步枪手,98型卡宾枪,协助
4.步枪手,携带榴弹发射器(射程270码)
5.步枪手,狙击步枪(带光学瞄准镜)
6.二号机枪手,34或42型机枪、手枪
7.步枪手,98型卡宾枪,协助
8.副班长,43型半自动步枪,指挥
9.车辆驾驶员,冲锋枪
10.车组成员,冲锋枪,操纵前机枪
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发表于 2010-8-4 22:35 | 显示全部楼层
Here we see a platoon. In front of the Nissen huts are the four vehicles of the platoon, and in front of each, the troops who would dismount to fight. On the left, we see one 251/1 with an eight-man section, made up of an NCO commander on a base, a three-man base of rifleman and MG team, and a four-man base of sniper, rifleman, and MG team.
这里我们看到的是排.在桶型掩体前是一个排的四辆车,在每辆前面是将下车的士兵。在左边我们看到一辆251/1型车和一个八人班,由一个士官指挥员基座,机枪组、步枪手三人基座,以及狙击手、步枪手、机枪组四人基座组成。
Next from the left is the 251/10 command vehicle of the platoon, with its 37mm anti-tank gun. In front of this is a three-man base. On this are the deputy commander with rifle, and two men under his command: both rifle-armed messengers. In front of this base is a circular one with the platoon commander on. He has a submachinegun. The company has three platoons. First one is commanded by an officer, the other two typically by senior NCOs. Two gunners stay in the 251/10 to man the AT gun. This vehicle also carried a "corpsman" , who is not shown. Further right are the other two sections and their vehicles. These are much the same as the first section.
下一辆(从左边数)是 251/10型 排指挥车,装备37毫米反坦克火炮。在这前面有一个三人基座,上面是携带步枪的排副和他指挥的两个传令兵带步枪.在这前面的圆形基座上是排长,他带冲锋枪.一个连下辖3个这样的排,其中第1个排由军官指挥,余下两个排有资深士官指挥。两名炮手留在车上操炮。这辆车上还有一名医务兵,这里没有显示。再向右是排里剩下的两个班和他们的车辆.编制和1班相同
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